and everything -- a revolution i think for everyone becomes in part about finding -- you use transferable skills, and for me, the -- the key is storytelling. >> yeah, well, the huge task is very much evident in the movie, because the overthrow of mubarek is only about the first 13 minutes of the film. you would have thought well he is gone, and things will change, but there has been so much that hand next, and some of the worst violence happened after mubarek left office. >> that's right. that was the fairytale story that in 18 days you could bring down a dictator and everything would be wonderful, and that's what i found so fascinating is you have these protesters that went back two weeks later, and said no, we still have the same government that has killed many people who are still in power.